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[BOAKYE]

well enough is enough, we know were we stand with being a nice guy will bring us, but know the question is, is there nice girls still out there?.....................beat that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Brian]

Try this go on a web dating site and put your name as bad boy and see how much respond you get. I did this once to see what would happen, and just from the name I had more girls try to figure out what made me bad. Women want to figure you out and when they can prodict what you are going to do next they get bored. You are no longer interesting.

Women and men in a relationship often put out their expectation earily in a relationship start going down hill. Guys never tell your girl friend that you do not like one of her guy friends. Here is what happens they end up telling their ex that you dislike them. Now you have just alienated your self from her when he is around. The best thing to do his make friends with him because you know he is only there for one reason only. This way she would go running to him when you two are having relationship trouble. Same goes for her girl friends.

Keep all your female friends when your in a relationship and get more. Women always do, this with guys all the time. Let them have something to worry about. Women need to feel that you could leave them if they know that you are there and you keep telling them that, the game is over and you will be the lose her. Women don't like losers

[akul]

[Sean]

Wow what an interestin topic. Sadly it can't be answered yes or no. We can't generalise a gender. I do agree about the 'giving factor' that leads to relationships becoming stale and predictable, which no one wants in a relationship.

The truth is many girls go through the bad boy stage (age 16-21) and these lads r normally older. This can be due to being rebellious or trying to act older than a she is. Though once women want to settle down im pretty sure its d nice guys who are more strongly considered

I respect alot of views on this topic and understand where manyt r coming from but sadly this forum may be seen as biast, as most d ppl on here r single and therefore angered by complete idiots being with rather attractive and intellegent girls/guyS, therefore effecting their judgement.

[Champ]

I've come to the same conclusion that girls don't like nice guys..
After some investigation i've come up with a very interesting blog on the internet.. and everything it says makes perfect sense!!!

Here a small example of the the thought.. and many more to find out.. man this is golden stuff!!

WHAT WOMEN "REALLY MEAN"...
I hope you're sitting down... because what I'm
about to share with you will change how you view
women and dating.
I'm about to take you "behind the scenes" in
the female mind.
I'm going to give you a perspective that most
men never see or realize.
Unfortunately for most guys, not seeing things
the way I'm about to share with you, keeps them
trapped in their own little world of failure.
If you pay careful attention to the things I'm
about to reveal to you, you'll definitely have
more success with women.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WORDS AND THE REAL
WORLD...
Have you ever heard a woman say something like:
"I want a guy who is sensitive."
"I want a guy who's in touch with his feelings."
"I want a guy who's a good communicator."
"I want a guy who is strong."
"I want a guy who is sexy."
...?
Of course you have.
Women say this stuff all the time.
One of my favorites is:
"I want a REAL MAN."
I love that one.
In the past, when I'd hear women say, "I want a
REAL MAN", I had NO IDEA what the hell they were
talking about.
It almost didn't make sense.
But keep in mind, even though these things
don't always make sense to us guys, they make
PERFECT sense to women.
Here's the problem...
When a woman says one of these things, she
actually MEANS something that is different from
what a guy would mean if he said the same words.
Let me explain.
If a guy says "I'm going to stay home and relax
today", he probably means that he's going to stay
home, watch some sports, drink a beer, look at
pictures of women on the internet, and order a
pizza.
If a WOMAN says that she's going to stay home
and relax, she's probably NOT going to watch some
sports, drink a beer, look at pictures of women on
the internet, and order a pizza.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: If you are reading this right
now and you are a woman who watches sports, drinks
beer, looks at pictures of the women on the
internet, and orders pizza to relax, then contact
me immediately at the email address below. And
send pictures.
Back to what I was saying...
Women are DIFFERENT from men. And the words
they use often don't mean what they SOUND like
they mean.
So, the FIRST thing that you have to get
through your head is that just because a woman
SAYS something to you, doesn't mean that it means
what you THINK it means.
Catch my meaning?

THE BIG SECRET SHE ISN'T TELLING YOU
There's a little secret that women never happen
to mention when they're describing what they want
in a man.
Unfortunately, for all of us good guys who are
trying to be what women want... and hoping that if
we try hard enough to please women that they'll
like us... this little secret is causing us a LOT
of trouble.
The SECRET is that women ONLY want the things
that they're asking for from a guy who already has
about 100 other qualities that they never mention.
In other words, if a woman says, "I want a man
who is a good communicator", what she REALLY means
is:
"I want a guy who already has his life together,
is interesting, unpredictable, dominant, funny,
healthy, charismatic, confident, and loyal... who
is ALSO a good communicator."
The REALITY is that when a woman says one of
these "I want a guy who" statements, she actually
has an IDEAL guy in mind, who ALSO happens to be a
good communicator.
She's NOT imagining Homer Simpson sitting on
his couch reading a book on communication.
The reality of this situation is that what
women REALLY want is a man who makes them feel the
emotional and physical response that I like to
call ATTRACTION.
They want a man who makes them FEEL IT.
But, most women either can't describe the
things that actually make her feel ATTRACTION, or
they don't WANT to have to describe them, because
they want a man who already IS those things...
without having to learn them.
Think about it.
If you were hiring a bodyguard, would you want
one that said, "Yeah, I can be a bodyguard. Just
give me some time to learn..." or would you want
one that already KNEW how to kick ass anytime,
anywhere, without having to learn?
Duh.
Well, the same goes with women.
They don't WANT a guy that they have to train.
If you don't already have the UNIVERSAL
FOUNDATION of what appeals to women, then no
amount of changing and improving things, like your
communication and sensitivity, is going to help
you.

WHAT IS A REAL MAN?
Lately I've been thinking a lot about the idea
of a "Real Man."
You hear both women and men using the term.
But what does it actually MEAN?
And is it important?
Well, after thinking about this particular
topic for a long time, I've come to the conclusion
that it is a VERY important topic.
At this point, I believe that a REAL MAN is
this "ideal" that women imagine when they're
saying "I want a guy who is sensitive."
They're thinking of the REAL MAN, and then
they're imagining him ALSO being sensitive.
There are a lot of aspects to this REAL MAN.
Here are a few that are important:
-Status
-Lack of Insecurities
-Standards
-Experience
-Humor
-Unpredictability
-Leadership
-A Challenge
...and the list goes on.
It's actually not easy to describe a REAL MAN
in a few sentences... but I'll tell you what... a
woman can recognize one INSTANTLY.

And many more of this 'good stuff' can be found on the internet..
And it works.. i've experienced it myself..
Greetz
Champ

[Manny iN Da CLuB]

hey where'd u see that?? that's absolutely true.. i gotta agree lol

[shay]

i'd prefer to keep this short and sweet because i can honestly go on for days talking about this. the thing is, there IS no logic as to why girls go with bad guys and leave the good ones on the side. all i can say that in MY experiences, i did it because i tend to want what i can't have -- the bad guys were a tad bit more unatainable and would make me chase them at times. that to me is a turn on because i enjoy the excitement of a good chase. i still love a good guy though -- and i never take them for granted. so if you think you're a good guy, you know what to do

[JR]

call me lazy but if i cant hav someone it works well for me as i wont want them anymore so i dont try. ive found being nice doesnt always work, but can have its upsides, karma stays on your side if you're the good guy. problem is the "bad boy" tactic works, i.e, when im not so interested in a female im usually more successful, ridiculous.

[Kristina]

plz. tell me who are good guy and bad??
that man know what need do it's just knowledge of life with women but it's not bad guy
ok. I agree with idae, that nice boy have much chance and option... but we have different have to conception about NICE!!!!

[Alice]

Ah YES... Of course we do, we just sometimes pick the wrong ones and because we're 'good' we make commitments to them and endeavour to make it work. I think the issue here is 'goodness of fit' or in other words pure bad choices. Also it can take a long time to figure out that you've got a pattern of picking bad guys, or that the guys you have picked are in fact bad - so just be patient with us please, we'll come around eventually to see what's good for us I'm sure